Kara and Kelsey share a love for dance. It is their preferred way of communicating. In this episode, you will hear the way dance and ministry were integral for Pastor Kelsey in the way she interacts with the divine and grief. She values connection and the way our bodies hold the stories in our lives that sometimes need reframing, celebrated, or released.

Danae and Kara discuss the deep connections between sexuality and spirituality. When we ignore our bodies we end up suffering. God invites us to listen more closely to ourselves daily — we just need to accept that invitation. Sometimes our story isn’t written the way we want it to be, so it’s okay to grieve that and then find life and a new purpose. Your story is still valid even if it is not what you imagined.

In this episode I talk with Dave Kellan, a musician in the greater New York area. Dave and I went to high school together and I always admired the way he followed his love for music. Dave has won multiple awards and competitions for his music and has opened for bands like Uncle Kracker and Bowling for Soup. His love for music has carried him through difficult times of grief, which you will hear about in this episode.

My good friend Sara Johnson does amazing racial equity work as a Founding Partner with The Truth & Titus Collective. Trigger warning for listeners -- in this episode, we talk about the death of a child. We also discuss church, fear, risk and learning to be uncomfortable. These are hard subjects for many, so please do what you need to do and care for yourself.